DISQUS

Dollhouse = Worst Show EVER! · 7 months ago

This show sucks ass. To think Lie to Me was a bubble show before getting 13 episodes. FOX is just stupid if they renew this garbage.

Charles · 7 months ago

I just don't get it. It didn't have nearly the buzz that TSCC generated from the masses online. Dollhouse's finale episode only attracted 2.75 million viewers, compared to TSCC's 3.5.

Dollhouse continuously crashed week after week, viewers kept tuning out despite the second half turnaround that is claimed.

This was a very average show at best, with very poor acting from Dushku.

Kate · 7 months ago

I think the buzz depends on where you go. I've heard a lot about Dollhouse and only marginally about TSCC, probably cause of the sites I visit. I imagine it's the same for you. Don't forget, at the end of it's first season, TSCC was average at best too. It only really came into itself in the last half of the second season. Then it became stellar. I hope both get renewed, but since TSCC looks to be gone (not for sure though), I'll take whatever I get.

Also, as previously mentioned by others, TSCC is more expensive to make, and Fox doesn't stand to profit from DVD sales the way they do with Dollhouse. It sucks, but it makes marginal financial sense to renew Dollhouse and not TSCC.

LadyBRinehart · 7 months ago

As I stated above, when they were airing at the same time, DH pulled in more ratings than TSCC, and many will argue the only two episodes that did more poorly than TSCC were the last two that aired on movie nights (Wolverine & Star Trek). The bottom line is that TSCC didn't pull in the rating either, and "crashed week after week" too, and it's more expensive to make and doesn't have Whedon running it (who proved he can make DH at an even cheaper than before level).

Renee · 7 months ago

OMG ! It will be so awesome if they give the show a 2nd season !

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

I’m surprised Dollhouse has not been renewed sooner given the fact that it appeals towards those who enjoy rape, sexual slavery and dehumanizing women thus the GOP in its entirety.

Dudius · 7 months ago

Whoops ... Looks like someone's missed the point ...

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

You missed the point Dudius, if you like "Dollhouse" you like rape! You people discussed me, this sick love of constantly dehumanizing women is what got W elected twice. ENOUGH!!!

I do not heart bHo · 7 months ago

We don't discuss you at all actually. We know you're still bitter about Bush no longer being able to ruin our country.

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

LOL you people that support this disgusting show must have voted for bush because you clearly enjoy seeing people raped on a weekly basis, just like you were all rejoicing when bush and the repug thugs invaded and raped the people of Iraq.

FOX and the people at Faux news need to know the American people do not support the rape of women and sex slavery!!!ENOUGH!!!

pookie · 7 months ago

How many episodes did you watch before you came to this conclusion? One? Two? If so, then I could possibly see why you think this... but had you watched MORE... then you would've understood more about the show.
Also... if you think that Whedon or even any member of the show is a Conservative, you've got another thing coming.
FOX also airs Family Guy and the Simpsons... two shows whose creators are EXTREMELY LIBERAL.
You're mistaking the Fox News Network with FOX television.
So try again, heart bHo...

Jenn · 7 months ago

While I agree that the republicans are thugs, what on earth do they or Bush have to do with this?

impressive sir · 7 months ago

this is some first-rate trolling.

Harry · 7 months ago

I heart bHo = Forum troll and braindead idiot.

Go and learn how to interpret the depth this show offers before attempting to claim we're all brainwashed, when clearly you don't have a brain to start with.

I bleed heart bHo · 1 month ago

I am discussed by Clinton treating women like whores. But bHo has no problem with that. If this topic was about corn flakes, she'd blame Bush for them not tasting right and is being poisioned by evil Republicans.

Dudius · 7 months ago

Oh dear ... I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a joke or not.

The "Dollhouse" is not supposed to be a good place.
I suppose Schindler's list was pro-Nazi?
To Kill a Mockingbird was pro-racism, was it?

Just put some thought into it, FFS.

Kaz · 7 months ago

The show has both male and female dolls, so it's not dehumanizing just women. The Show has a moral message behind it, the premise is disgusting yes, but the plot is worthy of discussion, the error and the reason the rating as so low, is the lack of humour or wit that Joss and company does so well. The show is coming into it's own, it had such a rocky start, that it's hard to get into now.

The season finally basicly would left a first time watcher completely baffled

What the heck is bHo? · 7 months ago

Why is it that you say it's dehumanizes women but do not say that it dehumanizes men?

My thought is that the show isn't promoting an idea. Rather, 'DollHouse' explores the ethical and moral ramifications of such a technology and the organization that controls it.

Then again, I hope you don't have Showtime. I recommend that you shouldn't watch 'Dexter'. Given your reaction here, I'm afraid you'd think that show was celebrating serial killers.

And if the guys at work knew I was into fantasy rape scenes, I'd never get any work done.

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

Why would I have a problem with Dexter?! He merely takes out the trash of society like bush and the repubs that raped Iraq...Dexter would get rid of a show that glorifies RAPE of women...This show is sick!
Men dehumanize themselves, you never see women raping men (very rare circumstance) while as this show glorifies the RAPE of women by MEN!!!

Claire · 7 months ago

I think someone didn't drink their coffee this morning.

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

I think someone never had a penis inserted into their vagina against their will!!! You have no idea what a disgusting show this is and how it essentially shrugs off rape as no big deal!
Women like you have no idea.

Claire · 7 months ago

First, this show DOESN'T shrug off rape like it's not a big deal. In fact, that is a HUGE point in the plot. Watch the show before trash talking it, and sounding like an idiot. Second, as someone who was sexually abused, I *do* have an idea what that is like. And I happen to love the show, and don't go off shit talking on forums.

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

Claire, are you sure you did not forget to drink you're morning coffee...you're the talking shit!
By the way I watch the show the first six episodes were all I could stomach as a person that respects women!
If you were sexually abused I find it hard to believe you would sit through program unless by sexually abused you mean felt up by your boss.
Clearly you have been brain washed like so many women in America into blaming the women for the actions of MEN!!! Oh she deserved get cheated on she had cancer and couldn't perform a la John Edwards. Men need to be held accountable and this show only promotes rape and sex slavery!!!

pookie · 7 months ago

Oh and one more thing...
The one guy who actually DID rape someone in the show was killed by a woman.

Jorge · 7 months ago

I like Pookie's answer

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

I saw half the season...why bother responding if you haven't read my comments oh, and you missed the point entirely which only proves my point...the operator that was killed was not the only rapist you moron!!! Every guy that hired the company to brainwash the "dolls" for their sick sex games are RAPISTS!!! Thank you for proving my point this show makes people so long as they don't remember it it is not rape. You people sicken me!

Frodo · 7 months ago

Srry pookie but bho just pwned you! of course bho is crazy passionate or maybe just crazy either way i dont think anyone should bother debating wat i can only assume is a her, she clealy is offended by the show i just assume she must of gone through some trauma better to leave her in peace IMHO

JesseNick · 7 months ago

Olivia had Victor programmed for her sexual pleasure too. It goes both ways. This show is about slavery, and it is about using people, and the show IS AGAINST IT. The entire point of the show is how flawed people are, and the Dollhouse existing is the biggest example of this. The creator of the show has been given awards by liberal feminist groups many times. Episode 6 (the last episode you claim to have seen, and the first of the Great Episodes) made the fact that the show is against the actions of the Dollhouse very clear. The FBI against is trying to stop the Dollhouse, remember? This show is complicated, interesting, and one of the most moral shows on the air. This show is no more pro-rape or anti-women than Shindler's List is pro-nazis.

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

Look at the comment by pookie above, that is the type of brain washing this show is capable, that person did not even recognize the fact that the "dolls" were getting raped while programmed!!! I understand your argument but frankly I more concerned about the ignorant viewers such as pookie who are not as perceptible as yourself and is why the show worries me. People seem so blasé when it comes to sex slavery and rape, I'm just trying to alert the people to these facts.

me · 7 months ago

So, according to this comment, you are suggesting that all shows that appeal to more intelligent audiences and cannot be understood by the "ignorant viewers such as pookie who are not as perceptible as yourself" should be taken off the air? Only shows that appeal to the lowest common denominator and provide simplistic, black or white statements should remain? Because, as far as I'm concern, that makes YOU the idiot.

Toph · 7 months ago

You don't really have any right to preach to others to read your comments before responding, since you didn't take the time to watch the whole show before criticizing.

You act as if this show constantly contains rape, like this is some rapefest. You seriously need to get your eyesight and hearing checked out if you do. There are only a couple instances of rape depicted in this show.

Please quit acting as if portraying rape on a show is so extremely taboo and unheard of as if Dollhouse is the first show to ever depict it. If you think this, you are completely clueless. So why not bitch at the fans of every show that has ever depicted rape, hmm? If you did, you'd be spending all your days and nights doing that because there's quite a few out there!

You'll probably say something like "anytime a doll has sex on the show, it's rape!" Well, no, it's not. You see, if you ACTUALLY WATCHED THE SHOW, you'd know that every person in the Dollhouse has WILLINGLY signed up to become a doll. They are promised a huge reward for five years of their life as a doll. Sierra/Priya was not one of those people and there are probably more out there that we aren't yet aware of, but most of them are volunteers. So, really, there's not as much RAPE as you say there is going on in the show. You can't rape the willing, and most of them are willing, so therefore they're not being raped.

The Dollhouse is not necessarily evil, either. It's a center of moral ambiguity. Like I said before, it's not as if all of its members are kidnapped and forced into it. Most of the people there are volunteers. And as those of us who watched more than only half ot the episodes know, many of the people had the Dollhouse to turn to to escape a large problem in their lives, whatever that may be. Yes, Echo/Caroline did disapprove of what the Dollhouse was doing in "Needs". But Caroline DID volunteer as DeWitt told her. Caroline didn't have her memories at this time, so she didn't remember this, nor did she remember the reality she needed to escape from, or the "unbearable truth that brought them here," as DeWitt put it. Caroline, without her memories, hated the Dollhouse and what it stood for because she didn't understand it and didn't remember what drove her to become a part of it. I'm sure you'd feel the same way about a lot of the things you do now if you suddenly lost your memories.

Let's not forget that the "engagements" the dolls are hired for are NOT JUST FOR SEX. Echo is hired to do a lot of work that helps others. She helps save a little girl in one episode and counsels another young girls in a different episode. I thought I'd mention how she helped little girls in particular, since it seems that you have a grudge with anyone that has a penis.

Of course at first glance we're going to see the Dollhouse as a reprehensible slave house, but you really need to get further into the show and remember all of what we saw of the Dollhouse at work and recall that not all of what they do is impure and that they do keep the well being of humanity in mind. It's easy to forget that when you look at the "evils" of the Dollhouse, because yes, at first glance it looks like the dehumanization of people and slavery. Plain and simple. But it's not that simple. You need to watch more to realize that. And I'm not saying the Dollhouse is all good. It's like I said - moral ambiguity. So I do disagree with those of you saying it's just an evil, hateful corporation. But that's the beauty of the show; you can view it how you like, or rather, you can view it according to your sense of right and wrong. I see it as being all right, with the exception of Sierra/Priya and the taking advantage/abuse of the dolls whether they're in their doll or imprinted state. It's not about just hating the Dollhouse; it's about being torn.

The Dolls' engagements are diverse - they're hired not just for random sexual fantasies, but for solving crimes and even committing crimes like robbing a bank. One Doll was even hired for an innocent night of hanging out and playing laser tag.

The Dollhouse also does care about the dolls, otherwise why would each doll have a handler? If they really didn't give a shit, they'd just send them out and not care what happened to them or if they were to come back safe and sound or come back period. Many of the employees also express concern for the well being of the dolls; notably Saunders and Boyd.

So before you take the easy route of just criticizing and condemning, bHo, perhaps you should instead use all that time to learn more about the subject you complain about. Otherwise you just look like a dipshit because you're so uninformed in what you say.

SweetFeatheryJesus.com · 7 months ago

Toph is another failure at life...it was a JOKE! HAHAHAHA
Again, nice job J.D. as "I heart bHo", you pulled off plenty of funny at the expense of the crazy fans lol check out SweetFeatheryJesus.com for plenty more fun.

Toph · 7 months ago

I may have spent five minutes responding to a lame joke, but you spent hours trolling around a message board. I think you're the one who fails at life. :P

I heart bHo AKA JD BITCHS · 7 months ago

First off dude you totally spent more than five minutes, secondly SweetFeathuryJesus.com isn't me, I'm JD and their is a reason I time to kill lol I'm stuck at home with mono...so you know......i GOTCHA HAHA ooo btw i'm 15 so either way I'm still win for getting all you guys to overreact to my character get over yourself you 30 VIRGIN!!!!!!
I GOTCHA I GOTCHA

Twilight Jack · 7 months ago

You're completely right on one point, bHo. Every single guy that hires a doll in this show is a rapist, whether or not he realizes it. And the show does not heavy-handedly condemn them at every opportunity. Where you lose the plot is in assuming that your recognizance of that fact is not the very point of the show.

The entire theme of the show is the nature of exploitation and the various ways in which almost every member of "civilized" humanity is complicit in it. The handler, Boyd, who is a remarkably sympathetic character and views Echo almost like a daughter, is nonetheless complicit in her exploitation. Even Agent Ballard, who understands the evil that the Dollhouse represents, becomes complicit in the exploitation when he "avails himself of (read: rapes)" November after having learned that she is merely programmed to be his girlfriend.

Finally, through its faux glorification of the situation, the show slyly makes the very viewer complicit in the exploitation of these women and men. It's all on purpose, and the inhumanity of the situation is not lost on the show's creators. In fact, they are offering a commentary on the ways these horrors are rendered acceptable within our society.

You and the show's creators are on the same page. They are completely aware of what they're depicting. They're just playing it as a slow build rather in order to draw viewers into the larger commentary.

Sue · 7 months ago

BTW, I "love" how you assume

a.) that we will take YOUR word for it that you were, as you imply at least, sexually abused, but if someone who disagrees with you says they themselves were raped, you assume THEY are basically lying - hypocritical much?

b.) that everyone who's ever been sexually abused will hold the EXACT same psychological makeup, reactions, and opinions as you, despite not BEING you - self-absorbed ego, much?

c.) That a show that shows people as having been KIDNAPPED OR COERCED into being mind-wiped sex slaves, and VERY clearly, deliberately makes the audience sympathize the most with the mind-wiped people and NOT the mind-wipers' actions... is "only promoting rape and sex slavery!!!" - backwards, much??

Seriously, go view - illegally to avoid supporting the show if you must, but please do so you know what the fuck I and everyone else is actually talking about and so that you don't sound as full of BS as you do now- the episode "Needs", which shows so extraordinarily clearly exactly what I'm talking about. No viewer on EARTH would or does sympathize with Priya(aka Sierra)'s kidnapper, who literally used the Dollhouse to rip away her identity so that he could use her as a sex slave because she said "no" to his advances. He is demonized and we are meant to want to slaughter the asshole! Likewise, it's made pretty clear in that ep that when "Echo" has any real self-awareness, she's APPALLED at the obvious programming of innocent women to be sex slaves. And we are meant to bawl like babies when she (spoiler alert) fails to rescue the other dolls from that situation.

You stopped exactly right when the series started shoving off Fox's oppressive "we want episodic fun!" desires the most and addressing its real themes. It's a pity, really, but please do yourself a favor and learn what the series is ACTUALLY like, when it ACTUALLY gets to explore what the creators wanted to... which includes making the Dollhouse itself look increasingly skeezy and evil!

Foolish Much · 7 months ago

It's kinda funny how stupid people are to argue with someone who was clearly joking!!!
Congratulations to all of you that argued with "I heart bHo", you guys clearly fail at life...lol its funny to me that people like the person above wasted 30 minutes of their life commenting on wait for it...a joke!

IMK · 7 months ago

Dude, you are an absolute moron. Enough said.

Try engaging your brain before opening your mouth.

Twat.

chibi-harley · 7 months ago

Here's a thought for I heart bHo: I'm a woman, and I've been a victim of rape. A violent one. I like watching Dollhouse, and all of Whedon's other stuff, because he empowers women. He's a feminist. Why don't you pay attention before passing judgment? Right now you just look like an ignorant fool.

Aubaine · 6 months ago

Pish Posh I love surprise sex.

harmony rose · 3 weeks ago

I like dollhouse and I don't like rape. What does dollhouse have to do with W being elected twice?

JonnyDallas · 7 months ago

Its funny beacuase the stats suggest that Dollhouse is more popular among women than men. Perhaps you should watch the showinstead of just the comercials

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

Hey JonnyDallas, perhaps you should read my comments before questioning whether or not I have watched the show, what an ignorant fool you are...all of you that do not have a problem with a show constantly portraying rape as no big deal have to get your heads checked. It is DESPICABLE!

MutantCritic.com · 7 months ago

The rape aspect of the show IS a big deal, and is part of the point of the show. Rape and slavery go hand-in-hand, and the backbone of the show is about how screwed up it is. Again, as many others have asked you... do you think Shindler's List is pro-Nazis?

sparky · 7 months ago

You really don't have to watch it, you know. those of us who "get" the moral tale and understand where it is leading are enjoying the process. If it offends and traumatizes you, then stop watching it.

MutantCritic.com · 7 months ago

Olivia had Victor programmed for her sexual pleasure too. It goes both ways. This show is about slavery, and it is about using people, and the show IS AGAINST IT. The entire point of the show is how flawed people are, and the Dollhouse existing is the biggest example of this. The creator of the show has been given awards by liberal feminist groups many times. Episode 6 (the last episode you claim to have seen, and the first of the Great Episodes) made the fact that the show is against the actions of the Dollhouse very clear. The FBI against is trying to stop the Dollhouse, remember? This show is complicated, interesting, and one of the most moral shows on the air. This show is no more pro-rape or anti-women than Shindler's List is pro-nazis.

I heart bHo · 7 months ago

Look at the comment by pookie above, that is the type of brain washing this show is capable, that person did not even recognize the fact that the "dolls" were getting raped while programmed!!! I understand your argument but frankly I more concerned about the ignorant viewers such as pookie who are not as perceptible as yourself and is why the show worries me. People seem so blasé when it comes to sex slavery and rape, I'm just trying to alert the people to these facts.

MarbleCake · 7 months ago

Quit repeating yourself so much, you're coming off stupid

me · 7 months ago

ZING!

What? · 6 months ago

Why keep arguing with I Heart BHo. Bho didn't say it was a joke until the long rebuttal and plus, only 15? really, this is stupid.

Sue · 7 months ago

In your efforts to "alert people to these facts" of sex slavery, you are in fact instead taking a show that slowly but surely demonizes the same human trafficking you deplore, and CLAIMING, outright, that it "endorses" it instead. You are claiming that people who appreciate this show, which displays the removal of individuality for the gratification of the wealthy few as being CREEEPY AS HELL - despite the fact they generally appreciate it for the complex, difficult, largely anti-patriarchal oppression themes it contains - as "enjoying rape and murder!!"

You are officially a liar (about what the show is about/endorses) and a libelest (by all but stating that Whedon is endorsing rape and explictly stating that his fans "enjoy watching rape").

Just because a show tackles its themes slowly and with subtlety, does not mean it or its fans are evil rapist-lovers, and regardless of the morons out there that would take the sexualized marketing from Fox at face value, I would appreciate it if you would realize this.

I understand that you were apparently raped yourself, which no doubt makes you more sensitive to the issues addressed in the show; this explains a lot about why you're reacting the way you are. However, it does not excuse slandering the show with descriptions of it that claim it endorses what it is TRYING to show are evil, vile things.

FYI: I knew before it ever aired that it would have what would in any reasonable court count as Rape, capital R. I also knew Whedon's past work and its themes enough to realize he was going for a subversive angle in which the Dollhouse would be an awful, insidious entity meant to be despised to the point of the viewer eventually if not immediately wishing for its destruction... and NOT the straightforward, "Here's your every fantasy, don't question it!" angle you think or at least claim he is portraying.

SweetFeatheryJesus.com · 7 months ago

All you people that get so worked up over a joke make me laugh hahaha...
Props to J.D. aka "I heart bHo" for making all of us @ sweetfeatheryjesus.com get a kick out of stupid, excitable Dollhouse fans...haha BTW happy to hear Dollhouse got renewed!
Again...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Topherton · 7 months ago

Yes, because nothing is more fucking hilarious than lying about sexual abuse in order to make fun of people.

Prick.

Angel · 7 months ago

OMG!! A Dollhouse renewal would be an amazing birthday pressent from Fox to me!! I have loved this show from the very first episode and am very sad that Episode 13 won't be on the TV tonight. I'll keep my fingers crossed and send Fox amazing positive "make the money work" vibes!

Mandy · 7 months ago

yyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy

sfsd · 7 months ago

What about TSCC? That ended up getting better ratings ultimately. Any chance of bringing that back?

Brian · 7 months ago

hopefully both! great shows maybe fox is turning around from cancelling anything decent

Sue · 7 months ago

The good news is that so far, Fox is 3/3 sounds like, in renewing it's NEW dramas, which includes two science fiction series. And that, of course, TSCC had slightly higher ratings towards the end of its season, and of course, the drop in ratings can easily be connected to its removal to the Friday slot so any numbnut can see it's the slot that has hurt it the most. It's also a popular winner of some "pick one show you'd save" polls that are coming out now.

The bad news is that the show is probably going to be much more expensive to license and produce than Dollhouse, which costs as little as 1.5 million/episode (which is really cheap for a show like that, actually). Which could hurt it in the end.

I do hope it gets renewed though, because a.) I kept catching little bits and pieces thanks to it being on before Dollhouse, and it always seemed like it was pretty compelling, making me wish I had kept up with it more, so I'd like a chance to get into it while it's still on TV and b.) it would likely mean the loud minority of TSCC fans and Dollhouse fans in the nerdier corners of the net would stop bitchslapping each other over nothing like they have been doing all weekend. :P (Which I think happens because the Dollhouse fans have been a little gleefully glouty about their success in getting another season, and the TSCC fans are on edge/irritated because they don't know what's happening with their favorite show yet, nice recipe for conversational disaster right there :P)

Simone · 7 months ago

Please renew!!! Again, I only watch 3 shows and this is the only Fox show I watch (online). I'll even switch to t.v. if that will make the advertisers happier.

Sue · 7 months ago

Unless you are a Nielsen house, switching to TV will likely make no difference. However, watching it online through places like Hulu may actually help shows this year, as apparently, word has it, the streaming numbers were high enough for Dollhouse to supplement the low impression the raw live-viewing Nielsen ratings gave. (though the DVR timeshifted ratings surely had a part as welll, that still only applies to Nielsen households)

Just so long as you are watching it through legal channels, you are supporting the show. :)

btw if you have a Twitter account, Fox network is on there as foxbroadcasting go to the foxbroadcasting page and leave them a message begging them to renew or email/call Fox (Miracle Laurie had a tweet a couple of days ago wherin she for the sake of Dollhouse fans worried about potential cancellation actually listed a number and email, though the voicemail for the number quickly filled up) doing the same, who knows, it may help. :) And can't hurt!

BS · 7 months ago

Total crap. I guess ratings in the end don't really matter.

LadyBRinehart · 7 months ago

That's a good thing. Do you know how the rating system works? It's outdated and stupid. Until there is a better system, we're stuck with it, but at least these decisions are pointing to the execs in charge of these decisions are wising up to how televisions viewing is today. DVR and online streaming is changing how we view tv shows, and I for one am happy someone might be paying attention and doing something about it.

Mary · 7 months ago

Online viewing doesn't matter. How much commercial revenue can Fox get from that? Have you watched any shows online? Most of the time, it appears that they air roughly one 30 second commercial during each commercial break. Compare that to regular television where commercial breaks can last up to three minutes per break, if not longer.

Since you say you know how the ratings system works, then please explain it. Saying it is outdated and stupid is not informative.

Also, understand that with Dollhouse coming back, they have to try to grow their audience. That probably means that they have to drastically change the show. The current format of the show isn't working because it is not getting the desired ratings.

MutantCritic.com · 7 months ago

The 30 seconds of commercials online is worth more-per-viewer than 30 seconds of commercials on TV. There are a couple of reasons for this. The first is that because the commercial break is so short, people tend to stick around and pay more attention to the commercial because the show will start again in a moment. People generally get up, get food, go to the bathroom, have a smoke during television commercials. Studies have shown this.

The second reason is that people who view it online are paying more attention to the average viewer of regular TV. People who pay more attention care more about what they're watching. So they will, in the long run, have more interest in future episodes, not to mention DVD sales in the future.

There are a lot of ways to watch TV now, most of which still put money in the company's pockets. I personally don't want TV on TV anymore. I have Netflix, Hulu, and DVDs for that. I've pre-ordered Dollhouse on Blu-Ray, and watch Lost on abc.com. Where I generally pay attention to the commercial, because I know in 15 seconds, I'll be watching more Lost.

Times really have changed. And they'll only changing more.

Mario · 7 months ago

Renew Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles!

Jessica Claflin · 7 months ago

I agree. I won't both to be renewed. I love terminator. It's starting to get really juicy.

Jane · 7 months ago

This is the ONLY show I watch at this point. If it's cancelled I'll be lost to TV forever.

FOREVER! Consider that, Fox! FOREVER!

Al · 7 months ago

I feel exactly the same way

Chris · 7 months ago

Wow, without "Jane" and "Al" the FOX network will surely come crashing down.

Jane · 7 months ago

Make no mistake, the networks are very concerned with the real loss of viewers, not just people who switch channels, but those who switch off the TV for good. Broadcast TV has been bleeding audience for years. The surprise renewal of Dollhouse shows that they're starting to take into account the intensity of support, as well as the potential for ancillary markets, which they used to dismiss as small potatos.

What would it be worth to Fox studios to produce the next Star Trek, or more realistically the next Buffy? I was in a music and DVD place and all these years later there was a whole shelf of Buffy DVDs, never mind the huge Star Trek section. Buffy is still picking up new fans (like me) who missed it in first run.

Whedon may not be a fast burst ratings hare, but as slow and steady tortoises go he's damned impressive.

Making mistakes · 7 months ago

HAI GUYS! I'M GRAND STANDING ON THE INTERWEBS!

me · 7 months ago

I think the problem is that Whedon's work is too intelligent and too complex for the average viewer. I watched Buffy when it first aired, but I was well into the 6th season before I realized how much more it was than mere entertainment and had to go back rewatch it all. Television isn't ready for him, I doubt it ever will be.

The Hey · 7 months ago

X-files didn't have a strong 1st season when it was on Friday nights... just sayin'. Moving it to Monday after House would be very cool.

Jessica Claflin · 7 months ago

that's not a bad idea. But i like it more make it on the same night as Fringe. Having them both on the same night can increase rating for Dollhouse support. Put it on tuesday i think

Mary · 7 months ago

Where it can run against Dancing with the Stars and Two and a Half men? That would be instant cancelation.

I believe the only thing that saved Dollhouse was the fact that it did air on Friday Nights. Even there it was doing terribly against the long in the tooth Ghost Whisperer. If Dollhouse can't succeed against minimal competition, then it has no chance against stiffer competition on other nights.

I will be shocked if Dollhouse lasts much longer than three or four episodes next season.

X-Files had lead actors that can actually act. Dollhouse has Dushku, who has never proven that she capable of carrying a series over the long term.

Lisa · 7 months ago

I largely agree with you. I expect the show to die next season and Fox to regret bringing it back. But Dollhouse didn't air opposite Ghost Whisperer. SCC did. Dollhouse was on vs. Flashpoint on CBS.

Dushku is an awful actress in most roles. She doesn't have nearly the range needed to play multiple characters/personalities, and I don't see Dollhouse ever appealing to more than a very narrow range of viewers. It's also a bad show with horrible sexism, which disgusts me.

Bleh · 7 months ago

Seriously, horrible sexism? I guess this is probably why some people can't get into the show because they can't see the various levels within its storylines. Dollhouse touches on a variety of topics that are very important in questioning, concepts dealing in rape, trafficking, etc. that are important to address since they are all unfortunately still prevalent in society. So sexist? For me at least, far from it.

Mary · 7 months ago

No, I can't get into the show because there is no substance to the characters. The main character played by Dushku, gets her mind erased every week. Sure, she may have bits of memory which she may retain which leads to the possibility of humans having a soul which cannot be erased. That sounds like an interesting concept, but Dushku is terrible in the role, and the writing is just awful.

I have watched the show every week online. I had to force myself to watch it. I was hoping it would get better, but for me it hasn't gotten any better.

Now that it is coming back, the show will probably have to be tweaked in an effort to get a larger audience. The problem is that, they may lose what little audience they now have if the show is tweaked, and there is no guarantee that they can bring in a larger audience if the show is tweaked.

This show really isn't that deep. I have no problem with the concept of the show. My problem is with they execution of the show and the final result.

me · 7 months ago

While I agree that Dushku is far from a great actress, I think you're mistaken about the show not being deep. Try paying attention to the other character, the non-dolls. They're the interesting ones, the ones who really matter, since they're the ones making choices and acting on them. In BtVS, Buffy was usually the least interesting character (to me, anyway) until season 6. Just because the action centers around a person doesn't mean he/she is really the focus of the show.

Mary · 7 months ago

Thank you for correcting me. :-)

I forgot that Dollhouse was up against Flashpoint, and that SCC and Prison Break were the shows that aired opposite Ghost Whisperer. :-)

MutantCritic.com · 7 months ago

As episodes 6 and up have shown, the show isn't about Dushku anymore, it's about the entire cast. The rest of the cast is very good. Especially now with Dr. Saunders' past getting juicy (Amy Acker was amazing in the finale), and Alpha as re-occuring/regular character (I think we can all agree Alan Tudyk is great.)

b · 7 months ago

Ugh. Unless it's a complete re-boot, this is joss whedon getting screwed again. terrible boring show.

Chris · 7 months ago

Eh? Continuing to have a job is getting screwed?

Don't post.

MutantCritic.com · 7 months ago

Episodes 1 through 5 sort of were terrible and boring, especially a couple of the episodes. But episodes 6 and up (when Joss Whedon got to do what he wanted) were great though. Give it another try. Starting with Episode 6.

Deoris · 7 months ago

Pick it up, Fox! It's worth it!

pointblankfan · 7 months ago

This is SWEET! I loved Dollhouse. The plot parts were great and the per-episode parts were also great! They should have a guide on how to pronounce the names of the actors on the DVD...

Kate · 7 months ago

Nice! That would be great, I'd love to see where Dollhouse goes. This season wasn't his strongest, to be sure, but the first season of Buffy was kind of weak, and look how that turned out. I hope this happens!

In my fantasy world, TSCC would be renewed too, and the two shows share an evening lineup together again (I couldn't believe it, but Friday turned into my fave TV night with that pairing).

Cog · 7 months ago

It was a rough start for Dollhouse, but give credit to Whedon and the writers, it started to veer off into uncharted territory late in the season. In an era of repetitive formulaic fair, the show is something new.

Getting the media and fans to buy into it for a couple of shows will be difficult. But with House returning to the well with more hallucinations, and lost shattering any slim semblance of believability, Dollhouse has a shot at an X-Files cult following.

Hint, spend more on writers and quality scripts or the entire exercise will be wasted.

Bob · 7 months ago

What's the source on this? Sounds like last minute wishful thinking from a overzealous fan.

The fact that the Dollhouse set has already been torn down pretty much says "Game Over."

grr_argh · 7 months ago

The Dollhouse set has already been torn down? Where's your source on that?

grr_argh · 7 months ago

oops. this was meant as a reply to @Bob

LadyBRinehart · 7 months ago

It's not true, the sets are in storage. Joss or Eliza twittered about it a little while ago and they both were very excited and optimistic, so I'd go with them.

Jen · 7 months ago

I really didn't get into Dollhouse untill half way through and it ended up becoming one of my favorite shows. I think they need to work on some items, but I'd really love to see another season! Fox better not screw Joss over again. I miss Firefly!!!

Doug · 7 months ago

But this show is so terrible, Fox. I love Joss Whedon, I love Buffy and Angel and Firefly, but this show is just dreadful. I watched all 12 episodes and it never stopped sucking, whereas Terminator never stops being awesome. There's a reason why Terminator got higher ratings, Fox, even by the little bit they had. There's also a reason why there was a "Save Terminator" campaign and nothing for Dollhouse. Dollhouse just isn't good. It's beneath both Whedon and the cast to stay with this deeply flawed program.

Kate · 7 months ago

It's cool you don't like Dollhouse. I did very much by the end, and am interesting in seeing where it goes. But Terminator, while having some absolutely amazing episodes (especially the run at the end), was far from perfect. It's pacing was often off, leaving some episodes with nothing but exciting revelations, while other episodes did little to advance either the plot or characters. Not slamming it, I loved it and think the last 5 or 6 episodes are enough of an argument for the show deserving another season. But it was still uneven at times, and much of the first season was just bad (I left and came back on other's recommendation - so glad I did!).

There is a campaign to bring back Dollhouse too, one that crashed Fox execs phone system for awhile, apparently. Dollhouse is probably being considered for renewal while TSCC isn't based somewhat on cost of production. TSCC requires a lot more funding, and so needs higher ratings. Although when both Dollhouse and TSCC were airing together, Dollhouse consistently got better ratings, which may have stuck in the execs minds. Finally, I think TSCC was given a second season as a sign of faith in the show's ability to bring in bigger numbers. It was given a second shot and was unfortunately not able to deliver (because apparently CSI: Miami is more worthy of viewer's time - stupid masses). If Dollhouse gets a second season, I bet it will have the same pressures to perform, and will be canceled if it continues to fail to bring in viewers. None of this is an argument for the superiority of one show over the other (as I said, I love them both), just possible reasons why one is being considered and the other isn't.

Jessica Claflin · 7 months ago

WoW, you have great points. If they want dollhouse to have stronger rating, they must put it on another night. I'm pushing Dollhouse to go on Tuesday.!

Mary · 7 months ago

The idea would be to move Dollhouse to a night where it faces the weakest competition. Unfortunately, it is already on the night that it faces the weakest competition and it isn't doing well against it.

If you want to move Dollhouse to another night, then it only makes sense that it air on a night in a time slot where you think it can beat the competition.

Torrence · 7 months ago

Really? Huh. I dunno, I guess I would understand this comment if the second half of the season wasn't so innovative, dark and, well, brilliant.

WildAtHeart · 7 months ago

Just want to clear up some things. You said Terminator got higher ratings. I haven't been keeping up with recent ratings, did their ratings start increasing when Dollhouse's started to fall? Because I remember back when I checked ratings (I followed them until like the 5th or 6th ep of Dollhouse), Dollhouse was pulling in more ratings than TSCC. And there is a Save Dollhouse campaign, it's been going on BEFORE the show even started lol. There's a site for it.

LadyBRinehart · 7 months ago

You are right; when they were airing at the same time, DH pulled in more ratings than TSCC, and many will argue the only two episodes that did more poorly than TSCC were the last two that aired on movie nights (Wolverine & Star Trek). DVR rating, however, have been strong for both, though DH pulled in more there as well. And last, apparently Hulu and other streaming sites, as well as iTunes sales, have been much larger for DH than TSCC.

I love TSCC and want it renewed more, but it's more expensive to make and doesn't have Whedon running it (who proved he can make DH at an even cheaper than before level). It's just how the rolls.

MutantCritic.com · 7 months ago

As a Whedon fan too, I'm going to respectfully disagree. Episodes 6 and up were great. The second half of the season was vastly superior to Season 1 of both Buffy and Angel. Imagine if the quality continues to increase in the same way it did with those shows.

evil monkey · 7 months ago

If Fox is willing to bring back DH, will they also bring back TSCC. DH ended up getting worse ratings than TSCC, and both shows had really high DVR numbers. Does anyone know what the story is on TSCC?

Marcus Wright · 7 months ago

What the hell...

How about TSCC!?

They can not ignore this:

http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=tscc

Jossfann · 7 months ago

No Dollhouse campaign, Doug? Sorry you missed it. I don't think Fox did. And there is no reason why both shows can't be renewed. There are many of us who are fans of both.

Kato · 7 months ago

Pick it up Fox - this is one of the better shows on TV! I haven't missed an episode, and don't intend to no matter how many seasons it runs for.

G · 7 months ago

The only reason TSCC started to well again is the upcoming movie release. Come on, any show that has Brian Austin Green in it [and it actually looks like he can act compared to those around him] can't be good.....

BigDog · 7 months ago

Speaking of eleventh-hour negotiations, why is CBS dragging its feet so much over the renewal of Eleventh Hour? 12.15 million viewers. Wikipedia never lies.

Seriously. Throw the fans a bone.

Methos · 7 months ago

CBS is dragging their feet because the show SUCKS!!!

DCM · 7 months ago

Sorry- epic fail on that comment. eleventh hour was an awesome show - the plots followed were nothing short of fantastic and very good acting by rufus sewell

cty · 7 months ago

TSCC, I imagine, was a much more expensive show to produce than Dollhouse, at least it looked more expensive. So TSCC probably needed much higher ratings than Dollhouse to be renewed, based on costs.

Jessica Claflin · 7 months ago

Possibly, your right. If they are making budget cuts, tscc might go because it costs more. I really hope that terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles and Dollhouse are both renewed. I'll be okay if it's only Dollhouse. Such a good show.

Zedix · 7 months ago

Yessss! That would be awesome! Please renew the show!

woohooo · 7 months ago

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!

crusader · 7 months ago

Renew Terminator!

Bill · 7 months ago

The second half of this season was AMAZING. PLEAAAASE renew it!!

matt · 7 months ago

Called it. it'll be a 13 ep pick up.

It'll be a lead-in to Fringe on Tuesdays (or possibly a lead-in to Lie To Me on the much more easier on low rated shows night of Wednesday....if it comes back at all in the fall---if fox waits until next winter/spring to unroll it it'll almost certainly end up on fridays again)

Jessica Claflin · 7 months ago

I had the same idea about putting it on tuesday's with fringe. that makes sense. They are so similar. I love both. Fridays didn't do it well. I'm positive putting it on another night with help it in rating. I really want Dollhouse to get renewed.

Matt · 7 months ago

So if Dollhouse have cost issues, are they talking about renewing Terminator: The Sarah Connor chronicles as well if the costs are at the right amount?

The Live Feed · 7 months ago

TSCC is, from all I've heard, not coming back.

Remember Dollhouse is from Fox sister studio 20th and TSCC is WarnerBros., which changes the cost-benefit equation.

Still ... this year though ... man ... it's like George Romero movie out there. You can't trust that any show is dead until you've seen its severed head.

LadyBRinehart · 7 months ago

Unfortunately, probably not. TSCC was way more expensive and is owned by WB, so Fox has little to no incentive to keep paying for a show their not going to see many DVD returns for. Which is what they're hoping will help DH. Whedon has promised he can make it even cheaper, plus it's distribution rights are owned by 20th Century, who has also stated they'll pay a little extra to help out. All the cards just fell right into place for DH. The same cannot be said for TSCC.

bob · 7 months ago

renew Terminator SCC !!!!

Stanley · 7 months ago

Please God let this happen!

Kat · 7 months ago

I would be thrilled if this is true. The first half of the season was disappointing but in the second half of the season, Dollhouse began to show huge potential. I think it deserves another chance.

Words · 7 months ago

First 2 eps were poor, but this has become very exciting.
Would be ecstatic if they would bring back this and TSCC, which is one of the best shows on TV right now.

Bill C. · 7 months ago

Grrrreat, Eliza Dushku will be able to bore me to tears for another season.

MutantCritic.com · 7 months ago

Episode 6 and up didn't focus on Dushku. The show has become the ensemble that Whedon wanted it to be, and it's become great because of it. Hell, there were a couple of episodes where she had less than 3 lines.

Amy · 7 months ago

All right, I love the show too! Extremely! But can you people stop spamming with all you damn comments? Just say you're happy and be done with it.

Anonymous · 7 months ago

The slideshow on there is completely inaccurate with the titles, but whatever, she's still hot.

WatchedByWolves · 7 months ago

Best show EVER....AMAZING acting by Dushku, and this show is one that truly keeps you interested and eagerly awaiting the next episode. Thank you Joss and Eliza, and thank you for renewing.

Jaym · 7 months ago

It's great to have passion for a show, or you're entitled to your right to dislike another show.

But what gives anyone the right to hope for or request a show be canceled? How dare you hope for something that will hurt so many others, when you simply don't have to watch?

Instead of whining about a show and quipping how it needs to be nixed, why not ignore the show and move on to discuss the shows you DO like?

And, for the last time- there's no competition between Terminator and Dollhouse. They have nothing to do with each other, so the Terminator fans really don't need to take up the attitude against Dollhouse.

Dan · 7 months ago

T:TSCC has a huge international fanbase. I live in the UK and the only reason I heard of Dollhouse at all was becuase of T:TSCC. From what I gather, ratings over here have been much better as the viewing figures of Virgin1 have increased 18% since they started showing T:TSCC.

Joey A. · 7 months ago

Terminator should be renewed !

Dollhouse Rocks · 7 months ago

SERIOUSLY! Sweet! Now if we could only get them to pair it with Fringe and I can get my sci-fi all in one night. And I could watch it when it's on not just DVR it for later.

Deviija · 7 months ago

PRAISE THE LAWD! All this campaigning and fanwork might have paid off! SEASON TWO!

Lucas · 7 months ago

Dollhouse is my favorite show, and I am muy happy it's been renewed!

I heart O · 7 months ago

Lucas you are sick!!! Your favorite show glorifies rape and sexual violence towards women...you people that love this show are sick.

S · 7 months ago

I don't care one way or the other, but rapid fans that will shell out for multimedia and DVD sets? Um, no brainer.

Mary Kate · 7 months ago

Thank the dear sweet lord!!
Dollhouse is awesome! So happy to see it come back for another season!!!
HUZZAH!!!

Mike · 7 months ago

I like Whedon, however, even when Dollhouse is well written and executed, much of the show is so cringe-worthy that I don't see how it can succeed on network television (in terms of ratings). The show doesn't exist without Dolls (read lobotomized sex slaves/assassins/thieves) and with them I don't see how it can grow an audience. I believe the fact that it bled viewers from the beginning to the end of the season, even as the episodes improved, supports this view. Since the show can apparently be made rather cheaply, it would make it an excellent pickup for a cable station such as FX if it fails at Fox.

Fake Thomas Jefferson · 7 months ago

The only shows I watch are Castle, Dollhouse, reaper, bones and chuck. This is great news for me!

FOX SUCKS · 7 months ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

What the hell is wrong with FOX?

Terminator can't be all that expensive, if so make some cut-backs!

Its moments like these where I'm happy the world is going to hell in a hand basket.

JoeSweden · 7 months ago

Fox has nothing to do with T:SCC other then have first air rights. It's a WB/Halcyon production. If WB wants to earn more money on DVD sets and foreign sales, move it to an other channel if Fox doesn't want it. But GO DOLLHOUSE!

Jess · 7 months ago

This is AMAZING news!!! Woo-hoo!!!

Maurina · 7 months ago

OMG please let Fox renew this. There is such huge untapped pontentia for Dollhouse, and I'll bet the REAL viewing numbers are way higher than the Nielsons indicate. I can't say I've loved all the episodes, but once the show found its feet, it has been remarkable. If this is going to pan out anything like Firefly, they will see a huge spike of interest over the summer as folks discover it via dvds, hulu, etc.

Are they smart enough to re-up this show? If it's down to pure money motivations - and they are willing to think long-term - they would be idiots not to try for a second season. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Ronald Helfrich · 7 months ago

E Online on the Dollhouse renewal...http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b124286_this_just_in_dollhouse_renewed_season.html
Also check out TV by the Numbers...

Charles · 7 months ago

You cannot even compare Dollhouse to TSCC.

TSCC has actual depth of character, heart, great storytelling, acting...everything.

TSCC is incredibly better than dollhouse.

If FOX does not renew TSCC and renews dollhouse, they are complete idiots!

Hands down the BETTER show: TSCC

Charles · 7 months ago

TSCC has actual depth of character, heart, storytelling.

It is INCREDIBLY better than dollhouse.

If they do not renew TSCC but dollhouse is renewed, FOX is absolutely stupid!

TSCC=The BETTER show!

Jodie · 7 months ago

PLEASE,BE REASONABLE,RENEW TERMINATOR!!!!!!!!!!

AAR · 7 months ago

YES! this was a surprisingly good show. it took me a couple episodes to get into it, and just as i was about to give up, Wham! I was hooked. There was so much going on and it was so twisty turny. I loved it and am glad that fox is giving it an other chance for ratings (unlike firefly)

nadine · 7 months ago

I love Dollhouse! It seems I can look forward to more episodes!!!!!!!

eric · 7 months ago

Renew terminator too. fox bring it back

Joy · 7 months ago

I agree that they should put Dollhouse together with Fringe, since they were so dumb as to cancel Terminator. Seems the folks over at Fox haven't heard about a little action movie that is coming out before the month ends!

Ella · 7 months ago

I'm so excited! I thought for sure this show was doomed. But I love it! It started slow but totally won me over. Yay!

Catwoman69y2k · 7 months ago

Yaaaayyyy!!! *dancedancedance* Thank goodness. The season finale was open ended and leaves much room for the next season to be another mindf**k

rizork · 7 months ago

I wish TSCC and Dollhouse will be renewed.

cathy · 7 months ago

Dunno what it means to "monetize in non traditional ways" but if it keeps Reaper on the air, I'm happy to be monetized. Fans, write to your CW affiliate and tell them to pick up Reaper for those empty Sunday nights! http://www.cwtv.com/stations

cathy · 7 months ago

Don't know what it means, but if it saves Reaper I'm happy to be a passionate fan getting monetized in non-traditional ways. I wrote to my CW affiliate, look yours up here and tell them that Reaper could fill in those empty nights with devoted viewers in your area!

http://www.cwtv.com/stations

mithridates · 7 months ago

This looks like a good sign for Terminator, since it not only had better ratings but, well, it's Terminator. You can see here that Terminator is a huge brand that simply can't be passed up:

http://www.pagef30.com/2009/04/we-need-third-se...

Getting rid of Terminator would actually be a risk as that would be passing up the chance to capitalize on a huge name like this on the off chance that they would be able to have a more popular show in its place, and that's certainly not guaranteed.

LadyBRinehart · 7 months ago

I'll say this again, but DH had a better average rating than TSCC. The entire time they were running together, DH beat TSCC out, even with DVR and time-shift viewings being taken into consideration. It also did better with iTunes sales as well as on streaming video like Hulu. The only time DH dipped below TSCC was the final two episodes, at which point TSCC wan't airing, and that was due primarily to the opening of two summer movies (Wolverine & Star Trek). I love TSCC, and I don't doubt DH's ratings were getting lower on their own even without the movies, but TSCC would have been affected the same way.

However, that's not the main reason DH will be picked over TSCC (if there's even a contest between the two, which we don't know there is): DH is cheaper to make and Whedon promised he could make it even cheaper. TSCC is not owned by Fox, and thus has no say in how much goes into making the show. DH is owned by 20th Century (partner of Fox TV) and is willing to put a little extra cash towards DH to help.

It suck TSCC might be canceled, but DH being renewed had nothing to do with it.

mithridates · 7 months ago

*Checks numbers*

Looks like you're right about DH having higher ratings, though note that they have always been within 1 million of each other so for all we know that's a result of simply being aired on Friday when people tend to come home later. No, I don't think there's a contest between the two. They seem to have completely different considerations here - one is a bit of a chance but is cheaper to make, while the other has both more to gain and more to lose from its renewal...but I'm still of the opinion that Fox will see a cancellation as more of a risk since there's no way to turn that back afterwards and they will lose their chance capitalize on the movie if it makes it really big.

Knile · 7 months ago

I thought it was the end of Dollhouse even though i look forward to that show more than probably any of the others. It's House, Dollhouse, & Lie To Me. Those are my main shows. & no one is allowed to mess with that!!!!! lol

Kyle Maloney · 7 months ago

C'mon Fox, if you can renew Dollhouse, you can renew Terminator. I loves me some Dollhouse, but Terminator should take priority here, with the inevitable boost they'll get from Salvation, and the fact that it got higher DVR numbers than Dollhouse. I'm glad to see Dollhouse renewed, now lets see you save this last one.

Obloodyhell · 7 months ago

One or two words:

WHOO HOO!

Please post this. · 7 months ago

This is just stupid. They're all about the DVR'S and online streaming for this show, but what about TSCC? Excuses much? TSCC has die hard fans all over the world and they're not even saying anything. They're keeping us on edge. They want to renew everything but TSCC, it seems, even though it was higher rated - way higher rated than Dollhouse. And when TSCC went out with it's finale, Dollhouse BOMBED. Fox needs to take some of these things into consideration, not to mention there is a m o v i e coming out on Friday that will blow the ratings sky high.

LadyBRinehart · 7 months ago

First, ratings will not get better, TSCC isn't airing. Nothing to get ratings on and there's no way to tell if people will remember the movie come September.

Second, TSCC did not do better in ratings than DH when airing (certainly not "way better" even when they weren't airing together). I've stated this a couple of times now, but the only episodes TSCC did better were than were the last two DH, which aired on the opening nights of two big summer movies. If TSCC had still been airing, they would have been hit just as hard. It's so annoying how hypocritical internet fans are - first we want execs to ignore ratings (cause who watches TV live anymore) and look to the future of tv viewing (DVR and online) and then minute it looks like that's not working for us, we're like "but the ratings!" Bah.

Last, TCSS being canceled (if it is, we don't know for sure yet) has less to do with ratings and more to do with how expensive it is to make. TSCC is owned by WB, so it's out of Fox's hands on how much money they're willing to pay to make the show. If the show is too expensive to make, the cost of airing it is just too high for Fox to pay without a good enough payout with things like DVD sales. DH is owned by 20th Century, partner to Fox TV, and thus Fox is more invested in it as they'll get all the money from DVDs and such. Plus, DH is just cheaper to make period and Whedon promised he could do it with an even smaller budget.

And now my fingers hurt from typing, but I just get annoyed when people connect these two shows together like this. I love TSCC, but I'm facing the fact - the deal is just better with DH.

Sputnik · 7 months ago

??????? Terminator 3 season!!!

Sputnik · 7 months ago

????? Terminator: SCC 3 season!!!!!!!

Bryan · 7 months ago

I am so happy. This needs more time to develop - this season was too uneven, but with massaging Wheadon can make it work. Don't pull a Firefly, please.

Chris · 7 months ago

YES! THANK YOU! So freaking stoked! The last of the season was really good, and this series deserves to continue and expand. You would figure they'd have no problem doing so when it's Whedon, who made Buffy and Angel, yet there was Firefly and they passed that up. Good choice guys/gals who made this happen. Can't wait for the DVD now so I can see ep 13. Anything with Felicia Day in it wins my vote.

Jessica Dru · 7 months ago

*gleeeeeee*!
so excited

matt · 7 months ago

CAALLLLLLED IT!!!

Thank you....Thank you...

Oh if i only i could've made some sort of profit from this....oh well.

that said i'm surprised that i read that fox seems to be leaning towards leaving it on Fridays. ---Hey if Fox is a-ok with it in that timeslot then terrific! it could actually play there for years if the Fox brass is ok with how its doing there. (which would be awesome considering they havn't had a semi successful Fri at 9 drama since John Doe...and they havn't had a decent performing returning show in that slot since Millennium back in the 90's!!!) i'd have thought that fox would have tried teaming it with Fringe (tho it seems likely that one of their more higher profile new shows will get that slot now) or maybe pairing it with Lie to Me on Wed nights (lowered competition on that night without Idol or Lost) but Friday nights seem set now.


Unfortunately----i would bet money that they put Til Death alongside it. (that seems to be fox's go to slot for tv sitcoms that they can't quite cancel yet, but they can't quite fit anywhere else----witness the last year of The Bernie mac Show and Malcom In The Middle----i was actually surprised when they out and canceled Arrested Development instead of pushing them on Fridays----they actually saved themselves a step there!) Oh well as much as i loved Terminator---you can't have every show saved! With Fringe, Lie To Me, and Dollhouse in conjunction with Bones and House---Fox is lookin prettty damn good for the fall for once!

Flo · 7 months ago

GREAT news ! :)
I can't wait for this season 2 !

Jeff Dranetz · 7 months ago

Dollhouse is our favorite show. I'm glad it was picked up. Mostl likely the smaller budget will have more scenes in the Dollhouse itself, and less location shoots and stunts. I was worried that Eliza Dushku was going to take a financial hit herself, since she is one of the executive producers, if the show was cancelled. The longer the show continues the greater the possibility for syndication and DVD revenue. It was in a tough time slot, and I like many people watched it on DVR.

Brandon · 7 months ago

I want to start off first by saying that Dollhouse is NOT about 'sex slavery'. If you actually pay attention to the show every week, you don't see Dushku's character having sex to some rich guy. Plus, last time I checked, slaves didn't sign a contract knowing what they were going into when they volunteered themselves. So to those that think it's about slavery....you're absent minded idiots.

DH is an original show that is nothing like any other show on television. I'm glad Fox is giving it a second chance. It needs it. In my opinion, Dushku is a good enough actress to pull off the lead in a television series. People just don't give her a chance. To all of the DH fans out there, keep spreading a good word about the show. That's how a lot of great shows in the past stayed on air and got even better.

I didn't watch any of the 2nd season of Terminator. I loved the first season but when Brian Austin Green came on the show, I have to admit I lost interest. I do hope it stays on. I would like to catch up on it and catch it next season if it does stay but I fear it might not get renewed simply because it costs them more money to make each episode. Again, fans of the show should spread the word and hope for the best. That's all we can really do.

Mutant Enemy · 7 months ago

It'll STILL be shown on Fridays?

Good grief. If the show's air schedule is changed, it'll definitely have a fighting chance to become a full-fledged show, running for about five seasons or more. Still airing it on Fridays pretty much guarantees that the second season will be its last.

Oh well, it's much better than nothing of course. I'm truly enjoying the heck out of the show, and since chances of it being renewed pretty much went away a month ago, I was ready to give up and just watch the remaining episodes and savor the last few moments. The show's renewal is good news, but only for the short-term.

Tom Whiting · 7 months ago

So, let's see.
Fox will renew crap shows (DWTS, Dollhouse, etc), but CANCEL decent shows? C'mon now.

WTF is Fox thinking here?

Retrograde · 7 months ago

Dollhouse, fringe were/are GOOD quality TV programming. Far superior to the so called reality shows that are destroying my ability to relax and go into another world, well away from Democrats and PC liberals.

Matt · 7 months ago

It's great to see that they are slowly getting the point. TV is simply not just about the majority watching American Idol, America's Next Top Model, America *... There actually is a non-so insignificant portion of viewers who enjoy more complex and smarter stories. A portion that actually grows over the course of a show. And that is loyal. Buys the DVDs. Promotes spin-off movies featuring Nathan Fillon. That is disgusted with no-brain shows and would otherwise never watch TV. If all stations would have continued with their mainstream-only paradigm, this portion would have been lost. It should be simple economics. You don't just try to get day after day as many customers as possible, but you should try to get regulars. And in a market with lots of competition you should try to find your own customer group. Distinguish yourself. Not try to copy what your competitors do.
I seriously hope that Dollhouse, TSCC and Reaper are being continued. It was bad enough that Jericho and Firefly went off the air...

To Each His or Her Own · 7 months ago

If you like the show, you like the show. If you don't, you don't. We all, every single one of us, have our own opinions that are based on our own experiences in life and trying to believe that we have a full understanding of how others have arrived at their opinions - especially when we think it reveals some sort of flaw in their character - is a point at which we stop seeing things clearly and communication breaks down. There is no reason to ever fear that your opinion is wrong. Your opinion is your opinion, and thus always right to you, just as others' opinions are right to them. If we simply accept this and move on, so much stress and unnecessary cruelty can be easily avoided. Of course, I realize how ickily pedagogic this all sounds, but it is something I wish more people would consider before unleashing anonymous vitriol.

Gloria · 7 months ago

I watched an episode on Hulu, and I did not get up once during that time and I had no idea as to what went on. My boyfriend is always claiming that I'm getting up and walking out of the room during shows, so I don't know what's going on, but I did not get up once and couldn't tell you the plot. Fat guy hired a chick to play his dead wife, and there was a fight in an Asian restaurant. That's it. The show is just an excuse to show attractive women in revealing clothes being enslaved. Every man's fantasy, which is probably why my boyfriend thinks this is an incredbly good show. I was bored silly. God only knows what Whedon did for Fox execs to get this renewed.

If I watch an episode of a show and it doesn't grab me after the first ten minutes, that's it, I'm done. Never mind watching an entire season of something that is so boring and vague as to appear plotless. Life is too short.

Carey · 7 months ago

I just wanted to say thank you to "I heart bHo" for making me laugh for the first time today. wow... Rape = Bad. Dollhouse has NEVER shown Rape(both literal and figuratively) in any sort of good or positive or even acceptable light. The main protagonist has always been the one fighting the Dollhouse because it's exploitative and just plain wrong. I can see your point a little bit, but it's obvious that you or someone else you are close to or care about have been abused by a man. I hate to bring up a stereotype, but your over the top posts really show that you're just a manhater so your opinions are pretty much useless to those of us who can think for ourselves.

never-to-return · 7 months ago

I am listening to these comments, read allowed by a woman as I am raping her.
I am a stallion!

Juniper88 · 7 months ago

It's aloud, not 'allowed', you moron.

never-to-return · 7 months ago

I never said the little whore could spell, did I?
She hasn't learned that word in school yet.

Juniper88 · 7 months ago

School..oooh, she's young, huh? Must be real tight.
Slap her ass for 'ol Juni, will ya? HaHaHa!!!!!11!!

Yanic A. · 7 months ago

So So SOOOOOOOOOOOO excited! I will be tuning in without fail!

the dude · 7 months ago

I like Dollhouse.
It does have a morality base to it.
It also reminds me of the old Nikita show back in the 90's
I heart uHo, waaah waahh wahh.
Your guy is a abortion promoting, tax rising moron that will drive this country under.

VMdollhouse watcher · 7 months ago

I heart bHo - It's not rape. Whether the "dolls"/people are programmed or not, they did sign a consent form to be programed and for their bodies to be used for a certain amount of time. They gave written consent... therefore this is not rape.

Plus this is a TV show, can't you find something better to rant and rave against?

Maria Jennings · 7 months ago

Crikey - what an angry bunch you can all be!! Not having seen Dollhouse, or even be aware of the premise of the programme, I can't comment (I'm British you see). However I can write to beg Fox to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BRING BACK 'TERMINATOR; THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES'. You have a show that can travel in time, unstoppable truly nasty beings with multiple identities, the end of the world always a heartbeat away, a young gorgeous hero, a cool beautiful heroine, and a 2nd season finale that can take the story anywhere you want it to go. What is the question you want answering??? Look what happened when Star Trek was cancelled . . . . . . . . . .

Anyway Dolhouse folk, sorry to interrupt your bitchin'

James Williams · 7 months ago

No. Idiot. Some of us support this show because of our love and support for Joss Whedon and Eliza Dushku. How DARE you conflate that support with politics. In fact you ill mannered. Ill Informed buffoon. Joss and Eliza are Democrats. And staunch Obama supporters. As am I. quit painting people with a broad brush. Where did you get the Idea this as a "Pro torture" show? have you ever even SEN the show?

I guess I'll jump in too · 7 months ago

To avoid an avalanche of responses, I like the show & agree that is not advocating slavery or rape. It is subtly dealing with issue rather than outspokenly and blatantly condemning the actions every time which can be debated whether that is a good idea since some viewers do only look at the surface (example: all the people who tried to recreate the jackass stunts). I believe this feedback is proof that the show is stimulating the questions of what is consent & is it still slavery if they are nice to you.

My opinion on whether or not it is rape when a doll has sex on a mission. I say a hearty YES!! 1. To address the point about the contracts & volunteer status – from the scenes in the show of Echo/Caroline & the drug dealer from the college episode being presented with the contract has dialogue mentioning they are being kept there, not allowed to leave. There is the over hanging threat of is they don’t sign the contract they will have to face negative consequences in the outside world. That there is manipulation & coercion being used to convince people to sign the contracts means they aren't true ‘volunteers’. 2. Every sexual act requires consent for every time at the time. Meaning just because someone agrees to kiss someone or heavy petting does not give consent to have sex. Similarly to have sex is not the same as consenting to have multiple partners or S&M. Consent is needed for each individual act. Just because someone agrees to have sex with someone once or even a hundred times that doesn’t mean they consent to have sex with that person again in the future. Even if someone says I will have sex with someone now or in the future, if they change their mind and say no then it has to stop or it is rape. So there is no contract that can be signed that consents to any sexual act for the next five years. It is rape to take advantage of a person with a mental illness/handicap or an underage child because they don’t have the understanding or maturity to possibly know exactly what is happening to them or all the consequences so they can’t consent. It is rape to have sex with someone who is unconscious like in a coma or if they are passed out from alcohol or drugs or anything because they are not conscious to consent. It is rape to drug someone into compliance to have sex with them because you are taking away their ability to choose or consent. Don’t all of these situations apply to the dolls – their consciousness & self have been removed so they don’t have it to choose to consent. By removing their consciousness, their understanding & maturing have been removed that would allow them to make an informed decision. When they are given their personas for a mission isn’t that like drugging or getting a person drunk to get them into a state of compliance to have sex. IT IS RAPE EVERYTIME EVEN IF IT IS BY NICE PEOPLE DONE IN A NICE WAY and I hope the show stays around long enough for everyone to see that because I guess they don’t.

Kelsey M. · 7 months ago

Yes! Thanks so much for renewing it, FOX! I LOVE this show! :)

Zoe · 6 months ago

Yay! Another season of Dollhouse! I wonder what arcs Joss has thought up for the new episodes.

What? · 6 months ago

They need to take it off of Friday nights, would prob would get better ratings, more people would get a chance to really check it out. It't a sweet show.

high0ctane · 6 months ago

Fuck dumbhouse. This series is crap. It looks cheap, there is no storyline.
Its better to watch Baywatch!!!!

high0ctane · 6 months ago

This show is crap. It looks cheap. There is no storyline. It`s just a waste of time. Better you watch Baywatch or Playboy TV.

high0ctane · 6 months ago

Dollhouse sucks !!!!!!!!!!!!!! TSCC rules !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep fighting !!!

deroav · 3 months ago

love the show...bought the dvd because of Joss Whedon....love his work...clever...innovative...thought provoking...

I heart bleed for bHO · 1 month ago

Pathetic. It's TV, it's make believe. Just like liberals saying they are here to make the world a better place. Bush is gone, get over it.
I am discussed too. Disgust or Discussed? What do both mean?

english dude · 3 weeks ago

me and my partner sat to watch dollhouse not knowing what it was like... we loved it, we just watched the last 1 and now cant wait for it to come back.. it has nothing to do with rape, it has different storylines for each doll, yes it may have had a storyline about it but he gets whats coming to him, love the program and also hope to see tru calling back aswel